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Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby Dictator-for-life » February 25th, 2011, 9:54 am

Did some reverse IP lookups today just for fun; here's the definitive difference between 4 web hosting services: GoogleSites, JustHost, 1and1, and HostGator.

GoogleSites: Found over 4008 domains hosted on the same web server as reynoldshigh.net (216.239.32.21).

JustHost: Found 162 domains hosted on the same web server as earthbound3d.net (184.154.145.226).

1and1: Found 121 domains hosted on the same web server as darkscarab.com (74.208.90.201).

HostGator: Found 9 domains hosted on the same web server as howtominecraft.net (74.208.248.146).

Of course, this isn't a COMPLETELY fair comparison, as it is up to circumstance. Who knows, I could be on a new server on HostGator ;)

Reverse IP lookups are extremely useful if you want to monitor others' cpu usage on your shared server. Site running slow lately? Probably because one of your neighbors is using too many scripts or getting too much traffic. You can do a SiteReport.org on them to figure it out.

And by the way IrascibleOne, darkscarab.com came up with this notice:
"It appears that the web server located at 74.208.90.201 may be hosting one or more web sites with explicit content. The web sites in question are highlighted in red below. There is a possibility that all of the web sites on this web server may be blocked by web filtering software. Search engine rankings for these web sites may be affected as well."

It does appear you are on the same server with at least two adult sites. I would do a tad bit of research on 1and1's T&L, but it is within your legal right to demand those sites be taken down or your site be moved to another server (with 1and1's customer service, not really recommended).

Don't worry, reynoldshigh.net is hosted with waaaay more adult sites on its GoogleSites server. :(

And if you wanted to have some reverse IP fun of your own, I totally recommend this:
http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/web-s ... eb-server/

EDIT: Right, so just to be fair, I looked up another random HostGator server:
Found 662 domains hosted on the same web server as 74.52.155.130.

So clearly I need to do more research on how these hosts decide to group their customers. Not to mention the quality of their servers. Currently, I am guessing it's all based on traffic and cpu usage, more investigation to come.

EDIT2: Well, after actually clicking around on the sites hosted on this server, I am beginning to see a definite pattern. Most of these are either parked domains (1 page ads) or simple blogs (very little traffic). I still find it pretty interesting.

I know longer know the purpose of this post. :lol:
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby IrascibleOne » February 25th, 2011, 4:10 pm

Yeah...I know. My dad tried to get on the site quite some time ago at work and it was blocked, same with the local high school. As far as I know those idiots aren't supposed to have adult sites on 1and1 servers, I really should complain.
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby brektzar » February 25th, 2011, 4:51 pm

Yeah you should complain ^^ If your site is block in schools and workplaces, theres less traffic coming in ^^
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby Dictator-for-life » February 25th, 2011, 9:58 pm

If you want me to write a complaint letter, I recently sent this whopper off to them :D
Umm.. Yeah.. This is basically how I deal with incompetent businesses. I'm a nice person in reality. Really. :silent:

To Whom it May Concern:

I registered howtominecraft.net over two nights ago and followed up with minecrafthowto.net yesterday night, over 24 hours ago. We both know that 24 hours is a ridiculously long time for such a simple process, but I was a patient customer. In writing, when I bought the domain names, 1and1 promised that they would have them up within 24 hours. It's been more than 24 hours and I am sorely disappointed, even angry. They are still pending, "the domain has been requested." Clearly the names have been registered, but you would rather park my domains and fill them with YOUR ADS than rightfully hand them over to me. I am very irritated over the whole ordeal. YOUR CARELESSNESS as a business is horrendous.

Every reputable registrar I know of does this much much faster. Sometimes its instant, other times it takes a FEW hours. Not DAYS, HOURS. This service is not acceptable.

And even after you guys FINALLY give me my domains, I will still have to WAIT ANOTHER 3 DAYS for the name servers to point to HostGator. This better be a maximum and NOT a minimum.

With every moment YOU waste of MY time, I lose revenue. While you park my domain with YOUR ads and gain revenue for YOURSELF, I lose revenue. This is NOT ACCEPTABLE. I am indescribably dissatisfied.

I do not wish for this to end in legal action, ICANN regulations won't allow me to transfer from 1and1 for a minimum 60 days. So now I am stuck.

So I ask you nicely, please resolve this issue immediately. Be sure, I am counting the minutes of your response time.

A Customer,
Isaac Parke


And to fuel my wrath they sent this gem back:
Dear Isaac Parke,

You have modified your contact information.


Title : Mr.
First name : Isaac
Last name : Parke
Adress 1 : 1234 Somewhere
Adress 2 :
ZIP : 12345
City : Itsmorelikeatownreally
State : OR
Country : US
E-mail : howtominecraft@gmail.com
Company :
Phone : +1 123 4567890
Fax :

You do not need to update the contact information held by the
registry responsible for the domains listed. An update is either in
progress or the domain name(s) registration procedure is incomplete or it
is an external Domain Name.
- minecrafthowto.net

Sincerely,

Your 1&1 Team

And this has to do with..? And I thought the rumors about their horrible customer service were exaggerated. Not the case. In fact, I had to go DIGGING to get the email. Really lame.

I am now comfortable enough with the site to give out me real name, nice to meet everybody :D
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby brektzar » February 26th, 2011, 5:05 am

Hello Isaac! :D
My name is Jimmy an my bros name is unimportant :)

I found a picture of you:
Isaac Parke (or was it clarke?)

Anyway, it awesome of you to go out and kill stuff like that.


Back to topic ^^ Its almost as if they sent it back to you like that in order to make you angrier ^^ They cant possibly have read it and sen you that answer seriously... :O
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby IrascibleOne » February 26th, 2011, 1:36 pm

Yeesh. I hope this doesn't sound insulting but are you sure it wasn't a coincidence that the unrelated one came after and was not a direct reply? They are being quite rude.

Also, I sent a short email after I made my earlier post. I'm pretty shy and it kinda crosses over to the internet, so I didn't send an angry email...

I recently discovered that my site is under an IP address (74.208.90.201) that is marked to have explicit content and when I looked up the IP address of my site, I found that there are at least 4 domain names that imply they are pornographic sites. Is there any way those sites can get removed so my site isn't lumped in with those few explicit ones? I just checked the terms and conditions of the site and section 8.6 says they aren't allowed, so I am hoping someone can get rid of them or at the very least move them to their own dirty server.

Thank You!
Justin


Then Marvin replied with this:

Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting us.

We would like you to provide us the URL of the page where it shows 74.208.90.201 is marked to have explicit content.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.


I sent him the url DFL gave above, because that is what I used, but I am curious as to why he couldn't look himself...sigh. And I know this is typical but what is with 'Dear Customer'? My name was in the first email. You make me feel so wanted.

Reminds me of the 'Nationpam' commercial.
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby Dictator-for-life » February 26th, 2011, 6:37 pm

I must keep things fair, looks like I was wrong. Twenty-five hours and 7 minutes later (I counted) they sent me back:
Dear Isaac Parke,

Thank you for contacting us.

The domain name minecrafthowto.net is now ready while the domain name howtominecraft.net is still propagating to your desired DNS setting. You change its DNS settings last February 25, 2011. Every DNS change will propagate within 24-48 hours from the moment you hit the OK button.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

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Sincerely,
[Name Removed]
Technical Support


And now they are wrong again:
Every DNS change will propagate within 24-48 hours from the moment you hit the OK button.

Not every, only 1and1.

Well, I'm not perfect, but I'm learning.

brektzar wrote:I found a picture of you:
Isaac Parke (or was it clarke?)

Anyway, it awesome of you to go out and kill stuff like that.


Haha, very nice. Yeah, the -e on the end of my last name makes it look like I'm of German decent, however, I am not. Quiiite the opposite.

Well, my name server points to my host now and I no longer have to deal with 1and1 anymore, unless they manage to screw me over again. I won't have to deal with them for at least one year, and with my sale price (about half of what other registrar's ask for), I guess my troubles are balanced out.

I'd be curious to know what action 1and1 takes for your server...
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby SPARTAN-001 » February 26th, 2011, 7:27 pm

You play Minecraft? I just got my server up and running again, after some downtime. :D
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby IrascibleOne » February 26th, 2011, 8:18 pm

Now that I think about it, I remember when my uncle did his site he had to wait for about that long for his domain name to propagate through Network Solutions. I dunno how good they are though.

Anyways, 1and1 replied to my last email. Sound like the end of it for now. I think it took longer than it should have, but they finally checked it out.

SHOW SPOILER
The email they sent me earlier (their second reply):
Thank you for contacting us.

Do you have a way to call us (technical support) so we can formally create a ticket and raise the issue to our administrator. The process requires account verification over the phone.

If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.


I replied with this, my phone was conveniently dead at the time, but I was going to wait it out to see what they came back with anyways.

I can and will once my phone charges. I suppose when I do they will have no idea about any of this and I will have to reiterate everything then...

Can I ask why it matters whether or not it was a real customer who brought up the fact that people are breaking your company's terms and conditions?


Then they came back just a little while ago.

We have checked the case again and can see that on the link that you have provided, we manage to take a look on the IP that you have provided and was able to see 2 sites whioch has adult content sites. We have checked the domains and these domains are not hosted with 1&1 anymore. The informations that you can see on that site that you have provided us seems to be not updated. Since checking on the domains, one domain is not longer existing and the other is hosted by HOSTGATOR.
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Re: Putting Web Hosts in Perspective

Postby Dictator-for-life » February 26th, 2011, 11:58 pm

SPARTAN-001 wrote:You play Minecraft? I just got my server up and running again, after some downtime. :D


Nope, I'm just another Captain of Industry profiting off the latest fad in know-nothing gaming. In reality I am quite displeased with the way Minecraft as a venture is operating, Notch knows nothing. Nothing at all. Um.. We're probably entering a little rant here..

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Top reasons Notch is a blowhard incompetent to run a company or even program:

1) No nothing programmer: No joke, here's what Notch had to say about C++:
Recently, I've done some work in C++. It's a powerful language and fun, but the retarded compilation system makes me cry a bit.

Do I need to say anything else? He thinks that C++ has a "retarded compilation system." Does he know what he's talking about at all?! It's an outrage! So he went off and programmed his game in JAVA. :lol: Smart guy! Check out this project, it's just a SERVER PLUGIN written in C++, guess what? Surprise, 10x faster than Notch's Java! Now imagine if he were smart enough to write the WHOLE game in C++. http://mineserver.be/

2) No nothing developer: What does beta mean to you? More bits of tinker code, whole new features? NO. Beta is for OPTIMIZING and for BUG FIXING. Yet, I have not seen Notch do an ounce of real optimizing or bug fixing in his beta updates. All Notch seems to do is add tinker code to see what he can get away with with his pathetic programming skills. One block type is not an achievement, I could make at least 3 new block types with new rules in a single 8 hour shift with BREAKS and distractions. Of course, when your structure of code is written so poorly in the first place, I'd understand why you couldn't do that.. I bet that Notch doesn't even know what a voxel is, how is he to begin voxel optimization?

Also, notice how single player and multiplayer are updated separately, months apart? Ever stop and think why that is? It's because Notch is a fool who's never programmed anything worthwhile in his life before. The answer is simple, single player and multiplayer are TWO SEPARATE games. That's right. Any real developer would have started with a multiplayer setup from the very beginning. For all games that were developed by competent programmers, single player mode is really JUST A MULTIPLAYER without the online capability.

3) Poor work ethic: Have you noticed yet that all Notch seems to do on Word of Notch is post worthless YouTube videos? Or that whenever he's not posting these videos that he's in a meeting with "members of the modding community?" It's laughable. How many weeks did it take him to get the newest update out, and it's only a few packets of code smushed in, nothing impressive, no major fixes, just more tinker code. The Bukkit project is implimenting more major SMP features than he ever has with his elite Mojang crew. Surprise? Not at all. When it comes down to it, go look at his Twitter and you will find that all he does ALL DAY is Tweet and pretend he is some sort of genius/god. Notch needs to realize he got LUCKY with his ugly game and now he needs to START WORKING.

And to point more ridicule, his art stinks. The game, his code and artwork are not worth 15 or 20 dollars. Just look at his little Bio area: http://www.mojang.com/notch/
The design is even worse than his website design for minecraft.net. I like the hazard gifs, nice touch. :lol: I encourage you to read into his history. He used to be a flash game maker for King.com and even then his games were crud.

With C++, I could rewrite Minecraft's engine (it has one?) in one day, all it would take is a couple lines of arrays, draw commands, and for optimization, a little occlusion. It's really not hard. It's a game based on random points on a grid. A grid grid. I would even add REAL TIME PHYSICS so that blocks aren't chunking their way down to the ground in a "I don't know how to program physics, blocks falling on top of each other, sort of way."


And.. that's why I don't support Minecraft anymore. However, for those incapable of knowing what's really going on or who choose to be ignorant, well, I won't feel too bad feeding on his most devoted blind fans. Not to sound.. evil or anything :lol: (I have to stop while I am ahead)

I do have the under construction sign up and running, if you want to get a feel for the style I am going for :D www.howtominecraft.net It's going to look quiiite nice, if my drafts are any indication. (So it's not like I'm not like I'm using templates to cheat by real fast, I'm actually putting a ton of time into this site)

IrascibleOne wrote:The informations that you can see on that site that you have provided us seems to be not updated. Since checking on the domains, one domain is not longer existing and the other is hosted by HOSTGATOR.

I highly doubt it's the fault of the site, which grabs in real time. It pings the server and gets back all the other sites hosted on it, there is no storage, cache, or history. I recall that 1and1 has a huge problem with simply releasing sites, if it's not updated, I'm still blaming 1and1.
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